What Did You Say?

Bravo, Pastor Warren! Continue to speak the truth in love and you’ll  definitely reap the rewards.

MORGAN: You and I, we’ve debated this before about gay rights, gay  marriage. Clearly, it’s a movement in America as it is around the  world…

WARREN: Right.

MORGAN: … towards to a much more tolerant attitude to this. Have you in  the last two years since I last I think debated this particular point with you — have you moved at all now? Are you recognizing that there is this seemingly  unstoppable movement?

WARREN: Well, I don’t get to change what God says is right and what  God says is wrong. And I think God is real clear that all sex outside of  marriage is wrong. But the issue here is the issue of respect. While I may  disagree with you on your views on sexuality, it does not give me a right to  demean you, to demoralize you, to defame you, to turn you into a  demon.

See tolerance, Piers, it used to mean we treat each other with mutual  respect even if we have major disagreements. Today, tolerance has been changed  to mean, all ideas are equally valid. Well, that’s none sense. OK? All ideas are  not equally valid.

 I mean, you could say the moon is made of cheese or I could say the moon  is made of beans and so many ask me it mean wrong.

MORGAN: But do you believe in equality for all as  your heart right? This is where I think I took issue with you before and I will  again — how can you really as a Christian man…

WARREN: Yes.

MORGAN: … a great man — how can you espouse genuine  equality…

WARREN: Yes.

MORGAN: … if you don’t allow gay people the same rights to get  married…

WARREN: Yes.

MORGAN: … as straight people? That’s a question that many I think would  love to hear the answer.

WARREN: I’d like to reposition it this way. I’m more against the  redefinition of the term marriage than anything else. I don’t think other groups  get an opportunity to redefine a term. For instance, if a Muslim says this is a  term we use and also I’ll take that term and mean it for me. What? That’s not  right.

And I think, historically around the world, the vast majority of people  would say, “Marriage means one man and one woman in a commitment.” Don’t take a  term and make it something different.

Well, we’ll talk about double speak where words mean the exact opposite  of what they use to mean. I’m going — OK. In first place, it’s not against the  law for you to love anybody, a man or a woman OK? It’s not criminal — at least  shouldn’t be but when you start taking a term, then why are taking that  term?

WARREN: I cannot see that happening in my life. I fear the disapproval  of God more than I fear your disapproval or the disapproval of society. And so,  I can’t change what I think God has said. Now, I believe in the infallibility of  Scripture. I do not believe in the infallibility of my interpretations. So,  interpretations can be wrong — we know that that as true but I believe that  what Scripture says is that sex is for a man and a woman in  marriage.